Get these old f*** off the road!

[TastinGood]

SANTA MONICA, Calif. (July 17) - An 86-year-old man whose car plowed through a crowded farmers market, killing nine and injuring up to 45 others, had recently damaged his own garage with his car, police said Thursday.

Police said Russell Weller told them he may have hit the gas pedal instead of the brake Wednesday, hurling victims into the air as his car careened down a street closed to traffic.

``Mr. Weller and his family want to express their deepest sympathies to the victims and their families of the tragic accident earlier today,'' Weller family attorney Jim Bianco said in a statement Wednesday. ``This was an unintentional and unfortunate accident.''

Eight victims were pronounced dead at the scene and a ninth, a 50-year-old man, died later at a St. John's Hospital, spokeswoman Barbara Bishop said. Fourteen others were critically injured.

Weller was not arrested, but authorities were considering whether the case was ``manslaughter of some type'' and investigating whether he was qualified to drive, said Police Chief James T. Butts Jr.

``There may be some negligence as to his capacity to drive safely,'' Butts said, although he added that Weller, of Santa Monica, has a valid driver's license.

Police searching Weller's home for medications and evidence of his fitness to drive found that Weller recently ``struck the back of his garage at least twice'' with his car, Butts said Thursday on ABC's ``Good Morning America.'' He didn't elaborate on how investigators knew Weller was to blame for the mishaps.

``Unless there's intent later proven, I think what we're going to find is we have an 86-year-old driver that may not have been as competent as he needed to be to drive,'' Butts said on the show. ``So we're pursuing this as if it were a criminal act. But we're going to let the facts speak for themselves and we'll sort this out at the end.''

Weller told police he was leaving a nearby post office and didn't realize until too late that the street was closed for the market, Butts said.

Weller was taken to a hospital for a blood test, and initial results found no traces of alcohol or psychoactive drugs such as antidepressants and hallucinogens.

Mary Roney, who has lived two doors down from Weller and his wife for 30 years, said he has never had any trouble driving and she did not know of any health problems.

``A more careful, gentle, loving person you'll never find,'' said Roney, who described him as active in the community, including serving on a library board and tutoring students at Santa Monica High School.

Butts said he did not have an estimate of the car's speed. Witnesses said Weller's 1992 Buick was moving very fast down the three downtown blocks of Arizona Avenue that were closed for the street market.

``Sixty miles per hour and it wasn't slowing down. It was flying. And then people down, dead and everything,'' said David Lang, manager of a shoe store along the market route.

``I heard a car just hit, bang, bang, bang,'' said Mojgan Pour, 38. ``I heard people screaming. By the time I looked, I never even saw the car. I tried to help a man and he died while I was helping him.''

Weller left police headquarters by late afternoon. Walking unsteadily with a cane, he hugged and smiled at people who picked him up from the police station. He declined to comment to a reporter.

The market, which takes place Wednesdays and Saturdays, bisects oceanside Santa Monica's popular Third Street pedestrian promenade and is near the famous Santa Monica Pier. It draws thousands of shoppers and was slated to close just as the incident occurred at 2 p.m.

The nine dead - five women, three men and a 3-year-old girl - were not identified. Police said 20 to 30 people had moderate or light injuries. They were taken to four hospitals by a fleet of ambulances and rescue helicopters.

A witness, Bahram Manahedgi, 50, said one person was on the hood of the car when it finally came to rest after the incident. A woman's body was crushed beneath the vehicle.

Manahedgi said that when he went to pull the driver out, ``His eyes were open and he was alive. I said, 'Do you know what the hell you did?' He said, 'No.' I just opened the door, I pulled him out.''

A crowd gathered around the car and ``wanted to beat him up,'' Manahedgi said. ``I said, 'He's an old man, leave him alone.'''

[SHATOUSHKA]

dude....

when you and i talked about my ingenius plan
to revoke driving privileges from people 65 and
older... you said it wasn't a good idea...
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[TastinGood]

I think that SOME should be allowed to drive past 65 if they show that they have the appropriate skill.

At 70 or 75 then I'd say we yank all of their licenses.

[Hannibal]

I just wanna say, my great grandma is a great driver, and she's older than your age limit [img]tongue.gif[/img]
and I've seen some old ladies who drive better than you TG!
and Shatzy, well, i've never seen you drive [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] so i can't say anything, but TG drives like a girl!
[img]smile.gif[/img] haha
oka yokay, seriously though, take away his liscense.

[zelazny]

They're talking about this here too, but basically they want to put every senior citizen (65+) through a driving test with an instructor, they have to pass that test or their license will be revoked. The test was supposed to be re-taken every 5 years afterwards.

[imaslave4junior]

yeah i think after a certain age old people should def have to retake some sort of driving test

[Cyalaytr]

DENVER - A Colorado legislator is hoping to create new laws for older drivers in Colorado.

State Rep. Alice Borodkin, D-Denver, said she plans to consult with seniors and review laws in other states to try to figure out how to improve road safety.

She was motivated by last week's marketplace accident in California where a man in his 80s lost control of his car and killed 10 people.

?Charts show that accident frequency tends to increase between the ages of 70 and 75,? Borodkin said. ?On the other hand, many older drivers are perfectly fit to be behind the wheel. Colorado needs a law that is not cumbersome to older drivers, but that adequately and regularly determines who should and shouldn?t be behind the wheel.?

Borodkin said some of things the group will look at are how to better license older drivers, how often they should test for licenses and a possible change in the type of testing they do.

Currently, the state requires drivers over the age of 65 to renew their licenses in person and anyone over 61 must renew their license every five years. However compared to some other states, Colorado doesn?t require seniors to take vision, reflex and road tests.
Some states also require drivers over 70 to renew their licenses more frequently.

Borodkin said she would examine rules in other states in detail before drafting her legislation. The consulting group she has formed will consist of members from the senior lobby, AARP and other senior agencies. The group is hoping to have the new legislation by January.

[TastinGood]

we should try to get some more elderly posters here at the acrop.

i think they would provide interesting, colorful posts!

[SHATOUSHKA]

as long as they agree to cut up their DLs

[*BiLLy_AtE_mY_sHiRt*]

but theyd be all insane and nostalgic and for every post you made they'd reply to it with
"Well back in my day sonny..."

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